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    Why does Indy 4 has such lousy CGI

    Post  Stefan's Ghoest on Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:06 pm

    Particularly during the second half. All the way though the Jungle Chase, and the finding of the temple, I never got the feeling they were out in the actual jungle.

    It took me out of the film more then the awkward script.
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    Post  Upended Quint on Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:25 pm

    It literally looks like they filmed it inside an Indiana Jones theme park attraction. Or a garden centre.
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    Post  crocodile's skeleton on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:20 pm

    Why does Jaws shark look like rubber? Wink

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    Post  Upended Quint on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:25 pm

    Because it was made in 1975.
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    Post  crocodile's skeleton on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:26 pm

    So KOTCS looks like this because it was made in 2008.

    Funnily enough, I actually did answer the question.

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    Post  Ghost Pirate LeBlanc on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:27 pm

    ILM stretched themselves too thin, working on too many movies at once, instead of focusing on making the best possible effects for this one particular movie


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    Post  Upended Quint on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:30 pm

    crocodile's skeleton wrote:So KOTCS looks like this because it was made in 2008.

    Funnily enough, I actually did answer the question.

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    Post  crocodile's skeleton on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:33 pm

    I mean, it's not like by 2008 we reached a peak of this technology. That's what I meant.

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    Post  indy v4.2 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:41 pm

    To be fair, only part of the movie has bad CGI. Most of the large scale stuff, like the departure scene, look great. The ants too.
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    Post  Stefan's Ghoest on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:09 am

    Some of the large scale stuff looks good. The ants are a mixed bag. some shots are great, while others look fake.
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    Post  Maurizio's Halo on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:14 am

    Actually it's more interesting to find out why Indy 4 has such a lousy script. Here's an acceptable explanation:

    http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

    (This blog is a goldmine of really interesting stuff, check it out).
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    Post  Lucas, prepare to die! on Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:35 am

    i think that some bag effects are intentional, a nod to the other movie's imperfections.

    I think jungle chase has very good CGI. except the vines part. and crotch plants othewise im pretty sure the are many items in the jungle you dont know its cgi.

    and it was filmed in hawai's jungle, they just overgrew the dirt road where they filmed.

    even if the ants look fake in some shots, its the best cgi insect animal ever seen on screen.
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    Post  Sideways Koray on Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:10 am

    Lucas, prepare to die! wrote:
    even if the ants look fake in some shots, its the best cgi insect animal ever seen on screen.

    Eight Legged Freaks had some awesome effects, but I believe they did a combo of CGI and animatronics.


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    Post  Faleel's Essence on Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:26 am

    Lucas, prepare to die! wrote:i think that some bag effects are intentional, a nod to the other movie's imperfections.

    I think jungle chase has very good CGI. except the vines part. and crotch plants othewise im pretty sure the are many items in the jungle you dont know its cgi.

    and it was filmed in hawai's jungle, they just overgrew the dirt road where they filmed.

    even if the ants look fake in some shots, its the best cgi insect animal ever seen on screen.

    Yes, its not really the CGI itself that is poor, its the lighting/coloring of the film that sucks.
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    Post  Stefan's Ghoest on Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:30 am

    Lucas, prepare to die! wrote:

    and it was filmed in hawai's jungle, they just overgrew the dirt road where they filmed.

    The part were they drive along the edge of a cliff looked very cartoonish, especially compared to a similar scene in Raiders. and some of the background work looked fake.

    Too much like LOTR, not enough like the real thing.
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    Post  Stefan's Ghoest on Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:31 am

    Faleel's Essence wrote:

    Yes, its not really the CGI itself that is poor, its the lighting/coloring of the film that sucks.

    Not untill they get too the jungle.
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    Post  Faleel's Essence on Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:54 am

    Stefan's Ghoest wrote:
    Faleel's Essence wrote:

    Yes, its not really the CGI itself that is poor, its the lighting/coloring of the film that sucks.

    Not untill they get too the jungle.

    I was talking about the Jungle...
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    Post  Lucas, prepare to die! on Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:53 am

    Stefan's Ghoest wrote:
    Lucas, prepare to die! wrote:

    and it was filmed in hawai's jungle, they just overgrew the dirt road where they filmed.

    The part were they drive along the edge of a cliff looked very cartoonish, especially compared to a similar scene in Raiders. and some of the background work looked fake.

    Too much like LOTR, not enough like the real thing.

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    Post  nightscape94 on Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:24 am

    I think it's harder to get across the idea of campiness with CGI. The background projection, optical effects, and physical effects in Raiders all worked because it was complimented by the material. When you try to achieve the same effect with CGI, it doesn't work.
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    Post  Upended Quint on Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:31 am

    Yes. People accept bad sfx when the film itself is of high quality. Indy IV is low quality masquerading as cream of the crop.
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    Post  Henry Buck in Demon Form on Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:51 am

    nightscape94 wrote:I think it's harder to get across the idea of campiness with CGI. The background projection, optical effects, and physical effects in Raiders all worked because it was complimented by the material. When you try to achieve the same effect with CGI, it doesn't work.
    This.
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    Post  Upended Quint on Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:52 am

    Ironically, Raiders isn't camp at all. In fact it's the movie least likely to sell that theory.
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    Post  nightscape94 on Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:03 am

    Perhaps camp isn't the right word, but I'm referring to the exaggerated and over the top style of film making used in Raiders, especially the story and characters. How about "pulp"? There's something about CGI that doesn't service that type of story well.
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    Post  crocodile's skeleton on Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:46 pm

    Upended Quint wrote:Ironically, Raiders isn't camp at all. In fact it's the movie least likely to sell that theory.
    Raiders isn't, but the other 3 certainly are. Contrary to what people say, this is rather unstable franchise quality-wise. KOTCS simply follows suit.

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    Post  Upended Quint on Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:51 pm

    Contrary to what you say, I think the only camp one is ToD. Which is a compliment. KotCS isn't camp at all. Campiness requires a degree of quality to shine through. KotCS is merely a bad movie with some good bits.


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